Latent variable grammars take an observed (coarse) treebank and induce more fine-grained grammar categories, that are better suited for modeling the syntax of natural languages. Estimation can be done in a generative or a discriminative framework, and results in the best published parsing accuracies over a wide range of syntactically divergent languages and domains. In this paper we highlight the commonalities and the differences between the two learning paradigms. 1